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[OC] The "worst" El Clásico in decades? - what to expect from the 245th rendition of football's biggest match-up

soccer's general consensus seems to be that the coming Clásico will be the worst in possibly decades, with both teams going through periods of crisis and/or transition.
But El Clásico was, is, and will continue to be the biggest, most renowned matchup in world football, with the two most successful clubs of our generation, FC Barcelona and Real Madrid C.F. facing off for the 245th time (the 181st in La Liga). It's fair to say this match should be on the watchlist of every football fan, so I'm going to give some insights on what to expect for the uninitiated.
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Statistics and history of El Clásico

Stat Barcelona Real Madrid
El Clásico wins 96 96
El Clásico wins in La Liga 72 73
Goals scored in El Clásico 399 405
Top scorer in El Clásico Lionel Messi (26) Cristiano Ronaldo and Alfredo Di Stéfano (18)
Most matches played in El Clásico Lionel Messi (43) Sergio Ramos (44)
Highest win in El Clásico 7-2 (24/09/1950) 11-1 (19/06/1943)
As you can see, El Clásico is not only a very high-level rivalry, but also an incredibly balanced one, with both teams having the same number of wins in competitive matches (52 draws), with Madrid having a positive goal difference of 6. Whoever is the winner of this Clásico will accordingly be the all-time best team in El Clásico, at least before the two teams meet again in April.
Some more fun facts:
  • The fastest goal in El Clásico was scored by Karim Benzema after 22 seconds in Madrid's 1-3 loss on 10/12/2011
  • Xavi and Iker Casillas have shared the most matches together on the pitch (36)
  • The fist Clásico in La Liga was played on February 17, 1929. Madrid won 2-1.
  • Before last season's 0-0 in Camp Nou, the last Clásico to end in scoreless was on November 23, 2002
  • This list features every player that has played for both Madrid and Barça at some point.
Source 1, Source 2 (in German)

Political importance

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Barcelona vs. Real Madrid is a rivalry that surpasses sporting aspects.
In Francoist Spain, Barça was a symbol for local fans to not only express their support for the football club of their city, but also their Catalan identity. The meaning of Barça's club motto, "Més que un club" (= "more than a club"), is likely not what you think it is. To the people of Barcelona and Catalunya, Barça is a symbol of their regional identity, a medium to freely express their beliefs, a safe haven to freely speak their language and to vouch for democracy and the end of Franco's nationalistic regime. To this day, there is overwhelming support by most of Barça's fanbase for the movement of Catalan independence, with their supporters often being left-wing.
Madrid on the other hand has always been a symbol of Spanish nationalism, centralism and support for the Spanish monarchy. The club is viewed by its fans as the Spanish King's club, magisterial and full of honour. Most of Madrid's fans are supportive of the Kingdom of Spain and the monarch, some even with right-wing tendencies. They support the idea of a centralist Spain, as opposed to independence of any of the "nacionalidades históricas" (Galicia, Basque country, Catalonia).
This stark political contrast has led to clashes in the past.
It has also led to last season's Clásico in Camp Nou being postponed. Authorities had to make this decision as they believed the safety of fans (in- and outside the stadium), players and officials wasn't guaranteed at that time due to the wave of protests taking place in Catalonia in October 2019.

Current form, injuries and suspensions, expected lineups

Barcelona's last 5 matches: W (4-0 Villarreal), W (3-0 Celta), D (0-0 Sevilla), L (0-1 Getafe), W (5-1 Ferencváros)
Madrid's last 5 matches: W (3-2 Betis), W (1-0 Valladolid), W (2-0 Levante), L (0-1 Cádiz), L (2-3 Shakhtar)
Last 5 Clásicos: Barça 1-1 Madrid (Copa 18/19), Madrid 0-3 Barça (Copa 18/19), Madrid 0-1 Barça (La Liga 18/19), Barça 0-0 Madrid (La Liga 19/20), Madrid 2-0 Barça (La Liga 19/20)

Players unavailable (Barça): Ter Stegen (injury), Umtiti (fitness), Matheus Fernandes (injury)
Players unavailable (Madrid): Carvajal (injury), Odriozola (injury), Ødegaard (injury), Hazard (injury), Mariano (fitness)

Expected lineups:
Barça:
Neto - Alba, Piqué, Lenglet, S. Roberto - De Jong, Busquets - Fati, Coutinho, Dembélé - Messi
Neto obviously in goal as MATS is still injured. Alba has been included in the squad after recuperating from an injury, so I expect Koeman to also play him. Alternatives would be Dest and Firpo. I also expect Piqué and Lenglet to be starting, although some Barça fans seem to prefer Araújo over Piqué. Sergi Roberto should make it over Dest. I also don't think either of De Jong or Busquets will be replaced by Pjanić. The biggest uncertainty is whether they start Griezmann as a CF, or Messi, with Coutinho at CAM. I personally think it's best for a player so out of confidence as Griezmann to start the match on the bench.
Madrid:
Courtois - Mendy, Ramos, Varane, Nacho - Casemiro, Kroos, Valverde, Isco - Vinícius, Benzema
With an undisputed defensive line other than him, Nacho might be replaced by Militao or Vázquez, depending on how ZZ wants his team to play. The midfield 3 will most probably look like this, potentially with Modrić instead of Valverde. Playing Isco is something that I fully expect him to do, as Isco and the 4-1-2-1-2/diamond he brings with him are the "secret weapon" Zidane always reserves for big matches such as Clásicos and UCL finals. Vinicíus should be playing over Jović with the form both of them are in.

Zidane's Clásico tactics

Madrid have had some terrible, terrible results in El Clásico throughout the last decade. 1-5, 0-4, 0-5, 2-6... under Zidane though, their record against Barça has been remarkable (4 wins, 2 draws, 2 losses, GD of 14:11).
Zidane's Madrid normally play against Barça how they play against every big team: relatively passive. Handing the possession to the opposition, playing zonal marking or man marking high up the pitch instead of actively pressing throughout the whole match, with being effective on the counter through long balls, crosses and fast, line breaking passes, their offensive strategy.
Casemiro has been a key piece in not only giving Kroos more playmaking freedom, but also locking down Messi and the half-space between the defensive line and midfield, with Messi "only" scoring 3 non-penalty goals in the last 13 Clásicos since and including Case's iconic performance in 2016's Clásico:

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One of Zidane's essential points of focus is stopping Messi, which can backfire sometimes, like when Kovačić had to man-mark Messi in 2017's 0-3 loss:
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Zidane loves to use a diamond formation in big matches, and I except him to do so against Barça as well. With Ødegaard out, he will probably try to have Isco draw players on him, creating space for attackers to make runs, ideally looking something like this (excuse my poor MS paint skills):
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Koeman's tactics

We haven't seen much of Koeman's Barça (no Clásico of course) so far, so my tactical analysis will not be very thorough.
The formation looks to be permanently switched to a 4-2-3-1, with Messi now having less positional freedom. Having two proper wingers eases the defensive pressure off of the two full backs, while having one central midfielder less will most probably make quickly passing through their midfield easier than before.
They still play high-press, possession-based football, but Koeman seems to like giving away some of the possession to the opponent (compared to Valverde and especially Setién), as in 4 of 5 league matches, their possession was only slightly above 50%.
Since I lack the material, the tactical knowledge, the dedication and the knowledge about Koeman's Barça to go any further than this, I'm going to link this brilliant and detailed tactical analysis of Barcelona's 3-0 win against Celta posted by u/Andremerlaux in barca for the people that want to dive into a more in-depth analysis of the tactical side of Barça's style of play. Sadly, the only thing I found on realmadrid regarding tactics were memes, so now you have to look at the abomination of a tactical analysis of mine.

5 reasons Barça is going to win

Leo Messi - we've probably all experienced the little magician's otherworldly touch at some point in our life as a football fan. There's little explaining to do, on a good day, Leo Messi can decide matches on his own. The last time this happened was in the 2nd Clásico of 2016/17, where Messi scored 2 and made THAT celebration, so it might be time for another Messi masterclass against Madrid by now.
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Madrid are having trouble scoring - Real Madrid are having massive trouble getting their players into goalscoring positions, and even then, Jović, Vinícius and co. often fail to finish the job. Post-restart, they've only scored 1,65 goals per game on average, extremely sub-par for their standards. If Barça score 1 or 2 goals, chances are high they're also winning.
Playing at Camp Nou - Camp Nou has been an absolute fortress over the last decade. In the 2010s, Barça only lost 9 matches at home in La Liga (Source), and since their loss against Betis in November 2018, they went unbeaten for all of 2019 in all competitions at Camp Nou before finally losing again to Osasuna in July 2020. Playing without fans might take this advantage away though.
Change of playstyle and formation - Zidane's tactics and his utilization of Casemiro to neutralize Messi have worked relatively well against Barça on most occasions. Barcelona's style might have changed over the years, but it was always possession-heavy. Zidane's Madrid have shown weaknesses when having too much of the ball, so maybe Koeman giving away more possession will hurt Madrid more than it benefits them.
Ansu Fati - the rising star has been in amazing form and with just 17 years, he's having essential influence in Barcelona's games this season. Reckless and calm in front of goal, he's already collected 4 goals and 1 assist in all comps this season, more contributions than any of Madrid's players. On the left wing, he'll likely be facing Nacho, Madrid's makeshift RB and possible weak point, since Carvajal and Odriozola are both injured.
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5 reasons Madrid is going to win

Defensive stability - Before the two matches against Cádiz and Donezk, Madrid have been extremely stable defensively. As hard as they struggle scoring goals, Madrid have been incredibly consistent in their defending, especially post-restart, only conceding 10 goals in 17matches (before the Cádiz match). If they can return to their usual defensive form and keep a clean sheet, another Ramos penalty might be all they need to collect all 3 points.
Zidane's Clásico expertise - out of 8 Clásicos played under Zidane, Madrid have only lost 2 (4 wins, 2 draws). Apart from the Kovačić man marking Messi disaster (0-3, 23/12/2017) and the Messi masterclass with a red for Ramos (2-3, 23/04/17), Zidane's tactics have been working very well against Barça, especially taking Messi out of the match. If there's one man that knows how to get a win or draw against Barça, it's Zizou.
Sergio Ramos - while Messi can be extremely decisive for Barça, the same goes for Sergio Ramos and Real Madrid. Madrid's captain is not only their leader and most important presence on and off the field, but also their defensive mastermind, as well as their free kick and penalty taker, with only Benzema (27) topping his goal tally of 13 last season. If there's one man to score a last minute winner in a big match, we all know it's him.
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They have the better midfielders and defenders - with all due respect to Barça, Madrid's depth and quality in midfield and defense (including GK, since Ter Stegen is injured) is higher than Barça's, on a normal day, that is. A midfield of Casemiro, Kroos and Valverde, with Isco and Modrić being options off the bench, might win the tactical battle for Madrid, while Courtois - Mendy - Ramos - Varane - Nacho with support of Casemiro is a backline that is hard to break down even for Messi, Fati and co.
Barça's fear of big matches - Barças latest performances in the most important matches have been underwhelming, we're not only talking about the infamous UCL bottlejobs, but also about them losing the 2019 Copa final against Valencia, the last Clásico, the Supercopa semifinal against Atleti and struggling with Sevilla and Atlético in the league. There seems to be some mental blockade in big matches.

5 reasons for a draw

Attackers out of form - Griezmann, Benzema and Messi have not been racking up the goals so far this season. Combine this with Hazard's injury and Jović + Vinícius and their chronic inabilities to put the ball into the net from the easiest of positions, and placing bets on a player to score first in this match will get really hard. Might want to try Ramos.
Both teams not scoring or conceding much - Barça (GF 2, GA 0,5) and Madrid (GF 1,2, GA 0,5) haven't scored much this season per match on average in La Liga, but neither have they conceded much. Smells like a 0-0.
Last year's Clásico at Camp Nou - last year's Clásico at Camp Nou ended in a 0-0 draw. Both teams had the same number of points before the match, the risk of letting their rivals wander off with a 3 point lead was too high, so maybe the situation will be the same this year (Madrid at 10pts, Barça at 7 with one match less).
The average goals per game in La Liga has never been this low - matches in La Liga are seeing 2,1509 goals on average this season so far. The only season that had less goals per match on average was 1972/73 (2,1438). I'm not saying this match will be a guaranteed 0-0, but seeing goalfests in La Liga is a rarity at the moment.
Both teams neutralizing each others weaknesses - Barça's defense isn't the most reliable - we've know this at the very latest since the infamous 2-8. On the other hand, Madrid's attackers are having massive trouble scoring or even creating chances. While Barça still is an offensive powerhouse (at least looking at the teamsheet) with players like Messi, Dembélé, Griezmann and talents like Fati, Trincão and Pedri, the core of Madrid's success last season has been their defense, with the likes of Ramos, Courtois, Mendy and Varane putting up insane performances in La Liga ever since the restart. All in all, both teams seem to be perfectly neutralizing each others weaknesses.

5 reasons for you to tune in

Messi, Benzema, Griezmann, Ramos, Coutinho, Kroos... - even though the teams have surely lost quality in Cristiano, Neymar, Suárez etc. over the last few years, El Clásico still features some of the best and most appealing players in world football. Two world class teams, only meeting each other twice every La Liga season.
Polemics of El Clásico - even though the Clásicos are not as heated as they were when Pep and Mou faced off, the likes of Jordi Alba, Piqué, Suárez, Vidal, Ramos and Reguilón have generated heated encounters and situations in El Clásico throughout the last years. Watch the players confront each other, watch two sets of fans creating conspiracies about the ref on soccer and I'm sure Alba will obligatorily wipe his hand through someone's face once again. Not something you'd want to miss.
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PL has Fulham-Palace on at the same time - I know this sub is full of PL fans who couldn't care less about the rest of Europe's leagues. But let's be honest, even to you guys Fulham vs Palace is surely not the most interesting white vs blue-and-red matchup taking place at 3pm this Saturday.
The losing team will be in massive trouble - both teams have lost points twice already this season, and with some Barcelona fans increasingly unhappy with the club's general situation and some Madrid fans increasingly worried about the way Zidane's team is playing, the losing team and its fans will want to turn their trajectory around as fast as possible. Watch the hot takes coming in - KoemanOut? ZidaneOut? - or think of something more creative.
Possibly Messi's last Clásico at Camp Nou - it's no secret the little magician wanted to leave Barça this summer. His contract is running out next summer, and if there is no other tie involving both teams this season, this could very well be his last Clásico at home. With the Messi-Ronaldo era in La Liga coming to an end, form your opinion on the new generation of La Liga's stars - Vinícius, Rodrygo, Valverde, Jović, Militão, Ødegaard for Los Blancos - Fati, De Jong, Dembélé, Pedri, Trincão, Puig for the Blaugranas.
Will this be the worst Clásico of our time? We can only speculate, but one thing is for sure: a new era of El Clásico has begun.
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Pre-Match Thread: Barcelona vs Real Betis [La Liga]

Match Information:

 
Match: Barcelona vs Real Betis
Competition: La Liga
Date: Saturday, 7th of November 2020
Time: 16:15 CET / 10:15 EST - Convert to local time
Venue: Camp Nou, Barcelona - 99354 capacity
Referee: Guillermo Cuadra Fernández
 

Lineups and Squads:

 
Barcelona - Official squad confirmed
GK: Ter Stegen, Neto, Arnau Tenas
DEF: Dest, Piqué, Araujo, Lenglet, Alba, Sergi Roberto, Umtiti, Firpo, Mingueza
MID: Busquets, Aleñá, Pjanić, Riqui Puig, Coutinho, Pedri, Matheus, De Jong
ATT: Griezmann, Braithwaite, Messi, Dembélé, Trincão, Ansu Fati, Konrad
Unavailable: Araujo, Umtiti, Coutinho (injured)
Not called: Matheus
 
Real Betis - Official squad to be confirmed
GK: Joel Robles, Dani Martín, Claudio Bravo, Dani Rebollo, Carlos Marín
DEF: Martín Montoya, Bartra, Víctor Ruíz, Sidnei, Emerson, Aïssa Mandi, Francisco Delgado Rojano, Geovanni Barba, Juan Miranda
MID: Francis, Canales, William Carvalho, Álex Moreno, Joaquín, Diego Lainez, Guido Rodríguez, Andrés Guardado, Paul Akouokou, Camarasa
ATT: Juanmi, Nabil Fekir, Borja Iglesias, Tello, Loren Morón, Antonio Sanabria, Aitor Ruibal
Unavailable: Dani Martín, Camarasa (injured) Andrés Guardado, Juanmi (doubtful)
Not called:
 

Head-to-head:

 
 

Form guide:

 
Barcelona
  • Form: [W] D W L W
  • Goals scored: 11
  • Goals conceded: 6
  • Last match: Barcelona 2:1 Dynamo Kyiv - Champions League
Real Betis
  • Form: [W] L L W L
  • Goals scored: 5
  • Goals conceded: 9
  • Last match: Real Betis 3:1 Elche - La Liga
 

Comments (Post-match thread):

 
Author: nigworms | Score: 414 pts | Source
We are improving, I don't care what anyone says. It is disappointing as fuck to see everyone in threads giving up and the team shit when we just did something we wouldn't have done before Setien: fight back in an away game. 2 goals that Betis scored were lucky bounces, but we earned our fucking goals.
I am telling you all, we are getting better. It takes time, and we need to be patient, with a depleted squad to pull this off, I'm proud and excited. Back the fucking squad and Visca el Barca
Author: praveerk | Score: 135 pts | Source
Shit refereeing aside, that was the most entertaining game I've watched since that Liverpool game at the Camp Nou. End to end action, relentless attacking, high intensity from both sides. Lenglet had by far his best performance ever for us. I don't remember the last time I saw a CB playing so aggressively in his own half. Guy was slicing up the pitch like a Sicilian dragon. Also, it's unbelievable how much better we're playing as a team under Setien in such a short while. It will still take some time to clear our mentality issues but damn are we playing beautifully. Hopefully we can build on this performance and improve our away form.
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Author: WehovasJitness | Score: 114 pts | Source
Is it time for Arthur to finally start a game? His control and technique, combined with FDJs overview, is excellent and really improved the game as soon as he was subbed on.
Author: usernamtakentry | Score: 101 pts | Source
I like how fluid the team was. You don’t have to be a forward to score or a midfielder to provide assists.
However goals were still conceded due to individual mistakes.. I’m not sure how many times Messi can bail the team out.
Author: xenmate | Score: 73 pts | Source
I am once again having fun watching our games, and for that I am eternally grateful to Quique Setien and the players. To all of them.
Visca el Barca!
Author: SpicyRico | Score: 68 pts | Source
From the highlights it looks like Messi had quiet a few chances. Almost recreated his goal from last year with less height
Author: maurid | Score: 58 pts | Source
Arthur should've finished that instead of passing it.
Author: baddar90 | Score: 57 pts | Source
Wth wrong with Griezmann His today stats: 0 shots 0 assists 1 key pass 38 touchs 9 lost possessions
He need to contribute more in the final third, we need someone else to create/score other than Messi.
Author: TZCorazon | Score: 33 pts | Source
People who will complain about the team's performance this game are people who like to blow every single negative thing out of proportion (the majority of people on this sub, hence why I don't post here that much) or have not watched Betis this season. This was always going to be a tough game in one of the best atmospheres in Spain. Betis has way too much talent to be 13th in the table and they´ve improved drastically since their defeat in the derby with Sevilla a couple of months ago.
Excellent game from the squad - the only two goals came from an unlucky handball (which should've never have happened as the ref missed an obvious foul before) and a mistake from Arturo Vidal. FdJ was my personal MOTMOTM, his passing and dribbling was sublime and he was without a doubt the star of the show. He only made one mistake all night. Lenglet/Umtiti with amazing performances at the back. Semedo and Roberto a little bit quiet, but nothing too worrysome from them. Griezmann is still trying to figure out his role in this offense, one that has changed multiple times due to injuries/tactics. You do expect him to take a greater role in the offense, but I think once Sétien has an offseason to work on his philosophy, Griez will become a vital part of this team.
Great showing from the team to come back from a goal down twice - they´ve always stuggled on that end once something unexpected happened, but they did excellently to fight back.
Pretty bad game from the ref but from the horrible officiating performances we have seen this season make this game look par for the course.
Author: psalmjuan | Score: 14 pts | Source
Just gonna copy what I wrote on /soccer
If you wanna know anything about Barca watch the last run by Rakitic. He just got subbed on for Griezmann, which in my opinion made no sense, it should’ve been Roberto.
Anyway, Rakitic comes on with fresh legs and is making a solid run against a tired Betis defense. The defender is alone and has to decide who to mark, Rakitic or Messi. He decides to mark Messi and leaves Rakitic completely open and what does Rakitic do? He passes the ball to Messi... 🤦🏻‍♂️
If this were Madrid, they would’ve found the back of the net because they aren’t relying on just a single player to win the game for them. This team bores me to death even when the score line is 3-2 and both teams are a man down.
 

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Koeman: "I give minutes to those who deserve them in training. It's in the players' hands." - src @barcacentre
Koeman: "For the centre-back position we are quite limited, due to injuries, we know that Frenkie can play in that position, but I still think more about Frenkie playing as a pivot." - src @barcacentre
Koeman: "With Aleñá I spoke about his future here, as with Riqui. I have seen Aleñá with a lot of desire in training, wanting to improve as a pivot." - src @barcacentre
Koeman: "Aleñá and Riqui give their all in training and when they deserve it I will give them minutes, they work hard." - src @barcacentre
Koeman: "We have talked about finishing. We have many players who are always looking for the pass, even inside the box. But then again, you can't change a player in two months if he's been doing that for his entire life." - src @barcacentre
Koeman: "I happily take criticism, but we don't have to be obsessed. The season is very long. A lot of things happen at this club and our job is to be prepared for everything." - src @barcacentre
Koeman: "Ter Stegen's first game back was splendid. He saved us. I'm very happy with his performance." - src @barcacentre
Koeman: "Neto has proven to be a very good goalkeeper for the club." - src @barcacentre
Koeman: "Umtiti is in recovery and if he's okay I'll count on him." - src @barcacentre
Koeman: "The 4-2-3-1 formation is new this year, we have to adapt to it." - src @barcacentre
Koeman: "The problem with having international players is that we have less preparation time, fatigue, but we hope to be fine when we return to work." - src @barcacentre
Koeman: "Messi was pictured walking? You can picture any player walking. I'm happy with him, I see him focused. His attitude is good." - src @barcacentre
Koeman: "Any game is important, it doesn't depend on the situation. Betis are a team that play good football and it's a complicated game. We have to correct Wednesday's mistakes, especially in defense. We are ready." - src @barcacentre
Koeman: "Joaquín? We know he likes to talk, if he wants to talk more it's his problem. I prefer not to focus on the past anymore." - src @barcacentre
Koeman: "Leo is a great player. We want to put him in a position where we can hurt the opponent. He's very important, especially in attack. He has played in different positions. He always creates problems for the opponent." - src @barcacentre
 

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